Just a note to Feminists who are all about breaking gender roles.
Please understand that the fact MRAs exist is a BREAK IN GENDER ROLES.
The men in the movement break gender roles by simply acknowledging they have problems and asking for help. Men cannot get further from their gender role than asking for help.
Worse every single last one of you that…
Really? Then why do most of their resources WORSHIP traditional gender roles. For example, “Stardusk”. Ever since I had the misfortune of reading/watching his tripe, and visiting “A Voice for Men” I vowed never to support that arbitrary bullshit ever again.
How do MRAs ask for help exactly? By doxxing their opposition? Threatening them? Ooh! How about how Paul Elam, threatened female victims of domestic violence? Fuck the MRM.
1)What about the “resources” you mentioned worship traditionalism? Can you give specific examples of them saying people should adhere to traditional gender roles? I don’t read AVFM regularly, but I do occasionally and I’ve never seen something like that
This, this, this, this, and this. There are more, but I don’t feel like looking through all that disturbing MRA bullshit right now. If you look, you’ll find it. They have traditional “morals” and all that other bullshit. They even support marriage. How long have you even been into this?
2) I had to look up Stadusk because I’d never even heard of him. So is he really a MRA “resource”? He seems to be an MGTOW, which isn’t the same as the MRM. And whatever else you can say about MGTOW, they are definitely not traditionalist.
Same difference. I used to think that MGTOW was different from the MRM, but their behaviour has shown otherwise. They both eat what the other shits out.
3)By your own logic, you ought to be saying “fuck the feminist movement” as well, as they been doxxing and threatening people who disagree with them for decades. They’ve also gone a lot farther with it than I’ve ever seen an MRA go. Pulling fire alarms at talks they don’t like. Threatening to start assaulting random men. Calling in bomb threats. Killing someone’s dog. The list goes on.
LOLOLOL First off, it’s not “Feminist movement”. Feminism is a SERIES of movements. This is why I hate talking to anti-Feminists. They never know what the fuck they’re talking about. And as far as what you’ve seen, apparently, it isn’t much. MRAs have doxxed people, sent rape threaths/death, created resources to vilify any Feminist, purposely file false reports, etc.
4)How are they asking for help? Campaigning for reform in child custody laws. Trying to get men recognized as victims of domestic violence in rape? Opening DV shelters for men? Like I feel like you might already know, and are deliberately playing dumb to present a false picture of a group of people you don’t like.
BULLSHIT. But I understand your position, because you are defending those little shits. The only people who have EVER worked for shit like that are Kristina Hansen, and Earl Silverman. With Kristina, no-longer identifying as a “MRA” and Earl being dead due to the negelect of his mission by self-proclaimed MRAs. So yeah, FUCK the MRM.
5) In what universe was Elam threatening female victims? The clip you linked was talking specifically about false accusers, not real victims. False accusation is, in and of itself, a form of abuse.
Nope. Because you don’t just “know”, who’s lying and who’s not. That takes an investigation. Something they are NOT capable of doing. And “register her” is proof of that. Some random bloke cries “false accusation1!1!!! And the next day, his partner has their info all on theweb for everyone to see, whether the accusation was false, or not. Fuck, I feel sorry for straight gals. The hell they must have to go through.
6) You specifically say you are anti-MRA in your profile, but what you wrote implied that you looked a little bit at two sources to come to a decision about the entire movement. That’s not a very strong position.
I’ve studied that shit excuse for a movement for a little over 3 years now, and I have even been involved. Fuck the MRM.
Wait a second; #Eseld is a dishonest, pseudointellectual charlatan. If MRAs were really as bad as she claims, why isn’t she using a quote by a confirmed MRA, instead of trying to associate random Youtube comments with them? In fact, she’s admitted that she doesn’t like to speak to actual MRAs, and gets pissy when they respond to tumblr posts where she was discussing them. Sshe once complained about how they were trying to make a post she started on men’s issues “all about the menz”. And she admitted that she knowingly ignores the existence of female MRAs, though I couldn’t bear to read the actual rationale.
I also like how two of those links are the same guy, and one of them is a confirmed moron desperately flinging crap at MRAs and hoping something sticks. But, sure, I’ll just take your handful of examples, and extrapolate them to every single MRA, everywhere.
#3: Ah, yes; it’s okay to conflate MRAs and MGTOWs, but not okay to conflate the various “feminist movements”. What’s odd is that these sub-movements are largely ignored when it comes to discussing the actions of the movement, unless feminists want to deflect criticism. Also, tu quoque.
The Feminist who got death threats, “Big Red”, was seen at that event laughing and singing about how little she cared about male suicide, which both she, Jezebel, and most of her apologists forget to mention. Also at that talk was protestors calling complete strangers rapists to their faces, just because they wanted to go to a talk about men’s issues. Also, the top comment on the False-reports thing is a correction, and the Up/Down ratio on the post overall is something like 5/3. Wow, that looks a lot like a significant amount of MRAs disagreeing. Can’t imagine why you didn’t link to the post directly.
(PS: Also, at least one of the “threats” against Big Red, wishing she got hit by a bus, may have been from a feminist. Manboobz’ response, when I pointed it out on Reddit, was to say that a feminist wouldn’t say something like that, because feminists never call each other out for not being for equality. Much like you’re studiously ignoring feminism’s own bad behavior, in fact. Big Red herself seemed more amused by these terrible threats than anything else. She sure hasn’t called the police. She was openly bragging about how she “trolled”, her words, MRAs.)
#4: Well, that’s odd. It takes me a few seconds to find AVFM and other MRAs supporting Earl, over and over again, even before his death. Also, Earl himself blamed feminism for hindering his efforts, and the movement manifestly controls the DV industry. It invented the sexist Duluth Model, which claims to be the basis of the modern DV system. He got pocket change from the same Canadian government that was handing out fortunes in funding for women’s shelters left and right. And Kris Hansen was a conwoman, IIRC, which shows the extent of your research. AVFM admitted that they tried to support her until learning she was up to something.
There’s a difference between not being able to do something because you’re doing it wrong, and not being able to do something because the system is biased against you. Folks who complain about the MRM’s lack of accomplishment tend to ignore the latter.
And tu quoque again. You sure do like that one. I like how you just hand-wave away all the examples of feminist bad behavior with “you don’t know what you’re talking about!” because those Dont’ Count As Feminists because You Say So.
#5: Gosh, that sure is an evasion of the question you were asked about the claim you made in your first post. It’s also ironic that you complain about it being possible to accuse people without an investigation, when a young man called Michael Nodanos was mistaken for one of the Steubenville rapists and got death threats so bad he had to leave college. Brian Banks had an investigation, and still ended up in jail. Dominic Scullion was beaten after the investigation cleared him, and Luke Harwood was beaten to death. There’s a difference between a standard of evidence necessary to hold up in court, and what’s necessary to meet an individual’s subjective burden of proof. And I checked a few seconds ago. Register-Her is currently and empty Wiki.
#6: And yet, one of your first “sources” is someone trying to pin a random sexist Youtube comment on MRAs. This is the same technique used by David “Manboobz” Futrelle on at least one occasion, so you’re in good company. At least, you’d probably think so.
As someone who isn’t an MRA either, has criticized it on more than occasion, and stopped visiting AVFM sometime last year because I didn’t like the direction it was headed, I find your post laughable. Have a GIF of James Spader pretending to be a guy pretending to be a sassy gay dude.