SYABM

Black guy from the Caribbean, just FYI.
I yell at idiots, mostly social justice ones. Sometimes I yell at other people. Sometimes I don't yell at all.

Not fowl, nor fish, nor MRA, nor feminist. Egalitarian.

#let me get this straight #they said it #rhetoric #not my division #original #oh snap #lolgic #claim/reality #comic

Black guy from the Caribbean, just FYI.
I yell at idiots, mostly social justice ones. Sometimes I yell at other people. Sometimes I don't yell at all.

Not fowl, nor fish, nor MRA, nor feminist. Egalitarian.

#let me get this straight #they said it #rhetoric #not my division #original #oh snap #lolgic #claim/reality #comic

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I learned a lot from my post yesterday.  The first being that I should have spent a little more time on the artwork I was using to get my point across.  This one is still a speed-paint (Took me like an hour this time.) and still has sloppy flaws, but eh!  The second thing I learned is that I should have drawn her just simply white, so I took inspiration from Garnet’s theme (which feels like 60′s-70′s to me) and gave her a 70′s vibe with the beehive disco hair.  She looks like a fembot, but that’s okay.  
First of all, fellow artists:
  Do not let anyone, no matter their race, gender, sexuality, creed or religion or anything else tell you what you can or cannot draw.  It is your art.  Do not let anyone censor you, ever.  And furthermore, do not feel bad for what you draw.  Love your art, even if other’s do not.
And to the others:
Do not ever think you are justified to bully another human being because you disagree with them.  You are not superior in morals or ethics just because you think you are.  If you don’t like what someone draws, don’t look at it.  If you are offended, go somewhere else. Support artists who DO draw things you like.  You supporting them means more to the community as a whole than you targeting artists who draw things you don’t like. You do not have a “Right” to not be offended by something.  And, if you truly think that the best response to something you do not like is to harass, threaten, and bully someone – you really need to give yourself a good, long look in the mirror and think about where you stand in life.
Yesterday was…well.  As I expected, honestly, though I was happy to see quite a few artists pop their heads in or message me about the issue of people trying to censor art. We need to come together as artists and art appreciators and stomp out this trend of harassment and threats on artists.
Censorship has no place in the art community.

As a final disclaimer, I would like to add that I am not attacking your little “Fandom”.  I am attacking art censorship, and the people who support it.



this is literally the worst thing ive ever seen

tbh i honestly thought this was mom lalonde cosplaying as garnet at first

People being critical of bad decisions, and of the people ignoring the myriad of reasons why those decisions are bad, is not “censorship” lmfao

yo op fellow artist here, its not censorship, no one is telling you you can’t draw this, they’re telling you why you SHOULDN’T and why it’s harmful and oppressive. our work in fandoms, and elsewhere, has repercussions in the real world and its really disingenuous to pretend that your whitewashing exists in some sort of vacuum
tl;dr tbh just stop

WARNING: MOD PINK IS AN ARTIST WHO LOVES GARNET AND WISHES THE OP WOULD TRY IT
What absolutely kills me about all of this besides the fact that the artist is basically a bigot and very proud of that fact is that they truly don’t understand that what they have done is not only racist and morally repugnant, but how it contradicts their stance on censorship.
Obviously, this is whitewashed art of Garnet. We don’t have to get into the history of anti-black racism to explain why this is disgusting: we can just look at it and see. I think the fact that this art is of Garnet rather than any other Steven Universe character says a lot about the artists’ choices to be honest. 
Unlike some of the other gems on the show, Garnet is unmistakably black-coded. She is voiced by a black woman, she has an afro, as well as brown/dark skin. The fact that the artist would target this character out of all the others in the show for this particular “demonstration” is too deliberate to simply be a preference or a stance for “integrity”. 
Obviously the artist was trying to say something with this work and they succeeded: they whitewashed a black-coded character so that they could fight back against progressiveness. Like I mentioned before, the artist is proud in their bigotry and this art is the blaring evidence of it. They picked (for all intents and purposes) a black character, whitewashed her, and then tried to act as if any criticism against it would be “censorship” or “bullying”. Had they picked say, Pearl, Peridot, or Lapis (characters that can racially be interpreted in a lot of ways), this probably wouldn’t have been an issue. But no. The artist decides to pick this character to prove to all of us that censorship is bad. It’s actually funny because the artist simultaneously plays the victim as well as the aggressor/oppressor.
And about censorship. Look, I an understand people putting constraints about what you can and cannot express in your art. You do eventually have to do what you love regardless. But this is not standing up to censorship. This is thinly veiled racism and an act of violence. The reason I say this is violence is because whitewashing is erasure; essentially stripping away an identity and making it more “pleasing” or “palatable” (i.e., white). This is also violence considering what Garnet means to a lot of us in the Steven Universe fandom, especially those of us in the fandom who are black as well as identify femininely. The fact that the artist would remove the character’s blackness, make them white, and then try to pass it off as “standing up for artists” is thinly veiled anti-black racism.
Finally, I want to comment on this apparent “stance” the artist has. The artist’s comment, it’s very vague; they never really say what they’re fighting against other than “censorship” and “bullying”. What’s being censored when you draw Garnet as canonically black? What’s the point in white washing her? Is it because the artist cannot feel connected to her unless she were of the same race? Is it because Garnet being deliberately black-coded makes the artist uncomfortable? Is it because somehow making Garnet white speaks to some greater “truth” in their mind about how things should be? Is it because artists not actively whitewashing characters of color is some sort of “censorship” to the artist? I wouldn’t be surprised if any of these were true.
TL;DR: What the artist did here is disgusting and their “standing up for artists against censorship and bullying” isn’t fooling anyone. The choice to whitewash Garnet of all characters is grossly deliberate and is extremely anti-black. I hope that this work continues to be met with the derision and scorn that it deserves.
-pink

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO RETARDED
SHES A FUCKING PURPLE SPACE ROCK ON A FUCKING KIDS SHOW!
some of you need to go way back to your jk/sk years and relearn the differences in colors obviously 
Stop being dipshits
Actually cease your opinions entirely theyre stupid and at this point you really dont deserve to voice them

Once again the disconnect social justice has from reality is astounding. SHES BLACK EVEN THOUGH SHES PURPLE!!!!1

did i understand that right tho? they’re saying that i can shit on people for drawing white characters black because that’s racist? cool.

What absolutely kills me about all of this besides the fact that the artist is basically a bigot and very proud of that fact
 is that they truly don’t understand that what they have done is not 
only racist and morally repugnant, but how it contradicts their stance 
on censorship.
How is drawing Garnet as white censoring anyone?
Obviously, this is whitewashed art of Garnet. We don’t have to get into 
the history of anti-black racism to explain why this is disgusting: we 
can just look at it and see.
“I literally cannot explain, using words, why this is racist. But it is.”
I think the fact that this art is of Garnet rather than any other 
Steven Universe character says a lot about the artists’ choices to be 
honest. […] The fact that the artist would target this character out of all 
the others in the show for this particular “demonstration” is too 
deliberate to simply be a preference or a stance for “integrity”. 
“The artist chose this character to racebend, therefore they are probably a racist, because they chose this character to racebend, therefore-”
Obviously the artist was trying to say something with this work and they
 succeeded: they whitewashed a black-coded character so that they could 
fight back against progressiveness
“I know this based on absolutely no evidence at all of their intent.”
Like I mentioned before, the artist is proud in their bigotry and this art is the blaring evidence of it. 
This is something like the sixth completely unsupported claim in four paragraphs. In fact, at no point does this moron actually explain what racism is supposedly involved, other than the fact that Garnet’s apparent race was changed. 
They picked (for all intents and purposes) a black character, 
No, she’s really not. Her race is “Crystal Gem”. She bears a physical resemblance to a black woman, but that’s it.
whitewashed her, and then tried to act as if any criticism against it 
would be “censorship” or “bullying”.
Which you know based on your in-depth knowledge of the backlash they received, of course. And for someone who keeps talking about “obvious” things, OP’s referring to the actual responses they got as bullying and censorship. Yet this moron would have us believe it was future tense.
 Had they picked say, Pearl, Peridot, or Lapis (characters that can 
racially be interpreted in a lot of ways), this probably wouldn’t have 
been an issue. But no. The artist decides to pick this character to 
prove to all of us that censorship is bad. It’s actually funny because 
the artist simultaneously plays the victim as well as the 
aggressor/oppressor.
I’m kinda running out of ways to snark about the level of [BALONEY] here.

And about censorship. Look, I an understand people putting constraints 
about what you can and cannot express in your art. You do eventually 
have to do what you love regardless. But this is not standing up to 
censorship. This is thinly veiled racism and an act of violence. 
 thinly veiled racism and an act of violence. 
an act of violence. 

Nope. That’s it. I’m out. I’m out.

“Black coded”
Apparently–according to waltdisneyconfessionsrage–stereotyping Black people is a good thing to do.

Where’s the stereotype? Or is this just your way of saying you’d rather go on ignoring the fact that Garnet is specifically designed to appear black because you’d rather she be anything but that? Try again.-ren

Well, don’t know any of the others, but siryouarebeingmocked is as deliberately obtuse and ridiculous as ever.

I suggest we make a game out of SYAB’s post: it’s called “count the appeal to ridicule fallacies.”


I’ll go first;Zero.I like how paraphrasing something to show that it makes no logical sense (and is as a result ridiculous) is still an “appeal to ridicule”. It’s only that if the point depends on the ridicule, and the point can’t be made without it, that it becomes fallacious, IMO. One common form is to make fun of a strawman while not addressing what was actually said. In fact, you’d have better luck accusing me of trying that tactic. Not much better, because I’d just ask you to back it up*, but better.** Of course, of the 9 points I made, a grand total of 3 used any sort of ridicule. That last one doesn’t count, because I literally gave up on my critique at that point, for fear of terminal stupid poisoning. Incidentally, I love it when people try to imitate their critics without really grasping the concepts in question. I like to call it “cargo cult logic”. If you want to see some real Appeals to Ridicule, just check out Rationalwiki or Manboobz.

But I’m sure someone who can’t even get my acronym right clearly has an excellent grasp on my statement.***.* I’m not even going to bother asking you to prove I made Appeals to Ridicule. You’ve already lost, by tacitly defending someone who calls racebending fanart an “act of violence”.**And no, calling them a moron isn’t necessarily an “Ad Hominem” fallacy. I just think they’re a moron, is all. It’s just an insult.*** That, however, was an ad hominem.

    social-justice-planeswalkers:

    luchagcaileag:

    waltdisneyconfessionsrage:

    locked-keye:

    siryouarebeingmocked:

    acylenn:

    this-is-cthulhu-privilege:

    the-darkest-of-souls:

    waltdisneyconfessionsrage:

    schneezusweiss:

    drgirlset:

    goopglitter:

    vegan-pearl:

    stevenquartz:

    lulladie:

    I learned a lot from my post yesterday.  The first being that I should have spent a little more time on the artwork I was using to get my point across.  This one is still a speed-paint (Took me like an hour this time.) and still has sloppy flaws, but eh!  The second thing I learned is that I should have drawn her just simply white, so I took inspiration from Garnet’s theme (which feels like 60′s-70′s to me) and gave her a 70′s vibe with the beehive disco hair.  She looks like a fembot, but that’s okay.  

    First of all, fellow artists:

     Do not let anyone, no matter their race, gender, sexuality, creed or religion or anything else tell you what you can or cannot draw.  It is your art.  Do not let anyone censor you, ever.  And furthermore, do not feel bad for what you draw.  Love your art, even if other’s do not.

    And to the others:

    Do not ever think you are justified to bully another human being because you disagree with them.  You are not superior in morals or ethics just because you think you are.  If you don’t like what someone draws, don’t look at it.  If you are offended, go somewhere else. Support artists who DO draw things you like.  You supporting them means more to the community as a whole than you targeting artists who draw things you don’t like. You do not have a “Right” to not be offended by something.  And, if you truly think that the best response to something you do not like is to harass, threaten, and bully someone – you really need to give yourself a good, long look in the mirror and think about where you stand in life.

    Yesterday was…well.  As I expected, honestly, though I was happy to see quite a few artists pop their heads in or message me about the issue of people trying to censor art. We need to come together as artists and art appreciators and stomp out this trend of harassment and threats on artists.

    Censorship has no place in the art community.


    As a final disclaimer, I would like to add that I am not attacking your little “Fandom”.  I am attacking art censorship, and the people who support it.

    this is literally the worst thing ive ever seen

    tbh i honestly thought this was mom lalonde cosplaying as garnet at first

    People being critical of bad decisions, and of the people ignoring the myriad of reasons why those decisions are bad, is not “censorship” lmfao

    yo op fellow artist here, its not censorship, no one is telling you you can’t draw this, they’re telling you why you SHOULDN’T and why it’s harmful and oppressive. our work in fandoms, and elsewhere, has repercussions in the real world and its really disingenuous to pretend that your whitewashing exists in some sort of vacuum

    tl;dr tbh just stop

    WARNING: MOD PINK IS AN ARTIST WHO LOVES GARNET AND WISHES THE OP WOULD TRY IT

    What absolutely kills me about all of this besides the fact that the artist is basically a bigot and very proud of that fact is that they truly don’t understand that what they have done is not only racist and morally repugnant, but how it contradicts their stance on censorship.

    Obviously, this is whitewashed art of Garnet. We don’t have to get into the history of anti-black racism to explain why this is disgusting: we can just look at it and see. I think the fact that this art is of Garnet rather than any other Steven Universe character says a lot about the artists’ choices to be honest. 

    Unlike some of the other gems on the show, Garnet is unmistakably black-coded. She is voiced by a black woman, she has an afro, as well as brown/dark skin. The fact that the artist would target this character out of all the others in the show for this particular “demonstration” is too deliberate to simply be a preference or a stance for “integrity”. 

    Obviously the artist was trying to say something with this work and they succeeded: they whitewashed a black-coded character so that they could fight back against progressiveness. Like I mentioned before, the artist is proud in their bigotry and this art is the blaring evidence of it. They picked (for all intents and purposes) a black character, whitewashed her, and then tried to act as if any criticism against it would be “censorship” or “bullying”. Had they picked say, Pearl, Peridot, or Lapis (characters that can racially be interpreted in a lot of ways), this probably wouldn’t have been an issue. But no. The artist decides to pick this character to prove to all of us that censorship is bad. It’s actually funny because the artist simultaneously plays the victim as well as the aggressor/oppressor.

    And about censorship. Look, I an understand people putting constraints about what you can and cannot express in your art. You do eventually have to do what you love regardless. But this is not standing up to censorship. This is thinly veiled racism and an act of violence. The reason I say this is violence is because whitewashing is erasure; essentially stripping away an identity and making it more “pleasing” or “palatable” (i.e., white). This is also violence considering what Garnet means to a lot of us in the Steven Universe fandom, especially those of us in the fandom who are black as well as identify femininely. The fact that the artist would remove the character’s blackness, make them white, and then try to pass it off as “standing up for artists” is thinly veiled anti-black racism.

    Finally, I want to comment on this apparent “stance” the artist has. The artist’s comment, it’s very vague; they never really say what they’re fighting against other than “censorship” and “bullying”. What’s being censored when you draw Garnet as canonically black? What’s the point in white washing her? Is it because the artist cannot feel connected to her unless she were of the same race? Is it because Garnet being deliberately black-coded makes the artist uncomfortable? Is it because somehow making Garnet white speaks to some greater “truth” in their mind about how things should be? Is it because artists not actively whitewashing characters of color is some sort of “censorship” to the artist? I wouldn’t be surprised if any of these were true.

    TL;DR: What the artist did here is disgusting and their “standing up for artists against censorship and bullying” isn’t fooling anyone. The choice to whitewash Garnet of all characters is grossly deliberate and is extremely anti-black. I hope that this work continues to be met with the derision and scorn that it deserves.

    -pink

    WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO RETARDED

    SHES A FUCKING PURPLE SPACE ROCK ON A FUCKING KIDS SHOW!

    some of you need to go way back to your jk/sk years and relearn the differences in colors obviously

    Stop being dipshits


    Actually cease your opinions entirely theyre stupid and at this point you really dont deserve to voice them

    Once again the disconnect social justice has from reality is astounding. SHES BLACK EVEN THOUGH SHES PURPLE!!!!1

    did i understand that right tho? they’re saying that i can shit on people for drawing white characters black because that’s racist? cool.

    What absolutely kills me about all of this besides the fact that the artist is basically a bigot and very proud of that fact is that they truly don’t understand that what they have done is not only racist and morally repugnant, but how it contradicts their stance on censorship.

    How is drawing Garnet as white censoring anyone?

    Obviously, this is whitewashed art of Garnet. We don’t have to get into the history of anti-black racism to explain why this is disgusting: we can just look at it and see.

    “I literally cannot explain, using words, why this is racist. But it is.”

    I think the fact that this art is of Garnet rather than any other Steven Universe character says a lot about the artists’ choices to be honest. […] The fact that the artist would target this character out of all the others in the show for this particular “demonstration” is too deliberate to simply be a preference or a stance for “integrity”. 

    “The artist chose this character to racebend, therefore they are probably a racist, because they chose this character to racebend, therefore-”

    Obviously the artist was trying to say something with this work and they succeeded: they whitewashed a black-coded character so that they could fight back against progressiveness

    “I know this based on absolutely no evidence at all of their intent.”

    Like I mentioned before, the artist is proud in their bigotry and this art is the blaring evidence of it.

    This is something like the sixth completely unsupported claim in four paragraphs. In fact, at no point does this moron actually explain what racism is supposedly involved, other than the fact that Garnet’s apparent race was changed.

    They picked (for all intents and purposes) a black character,

    No, she’s really not. Her race is “Crystal Gem”. She bears a physical resemblance to a black woman, but that’s it.

    whitewashed her, and then tried to act as if any criticism against it would be “censorship” or “bullying”.

    Which you know based on your in-depth knowledge of the backlash they received, of course. And for someone who keeps talking about “obvious” things, OP’s referring to the actual responses they got as bullying and censorship. Yet this moron would have us believe it was future tense.

     Had they picked say, Pearl, Peridot, or Lapis (characters that can racially be interpreted in a lot of ways), this probably wouldn’t have been an issue. But no. The artist decides to pick this character to prove to all of us that censorship is bad. It’s actually funny because the artist simultaneously plays the victim as well as the aggressor/oppressor.

    I’m kinda running out of ways to snark about the level of [BALONEY] here.

    And about censorship. Look, I an understand people putting constraints about what you can and cannot express in your art. You do eventually have to do what you love regardless. But this is not standing up to censorship. This is thinly veiled racism and an act of violence.

    thinly veiled racism and an act of violence. 

    an act of violence. 

    Nope. That’s it. I’m out. I’m out.

    “Black coded”

    Apparently–according to waltdisneyconfessionsrage–stereotyping Black people is a good thing to do.

    Where’s the stereotype? Or is this just your way of saying you’d rather go on ignoring the fact that Garnet is specifically designed to appear black because you’d rather she be anything but that? Try again.
    -ren

    Well, don’t know any of the others, but siryouarebeingmocked is as deliberately obtuse and ridiculous as ever.

    I suggest we make a game out of SYAB’s post: it’s called “count the appeal to ridicule fallacies.”

    I’ll go first;

    Zero.

    I like how paraphrasing something to show that it makes no logical sense (and is as a result ridiculous) is still an “appeal to ridicule”. It’s only that if the point depends on the ridicule, and the point can’t be made without it, that it becomes fallacious, IMO. One common form is to make fun of a strawman while not addressing what was actually said. In fact, you’d have better luck accusing me of trying that tactic. Not much better, because I’d just ask you to back it up*, but better.** 

    Of course, of the 9 points I made, a grand total of 3 used any sort of ridicule. That last one doesn’t count, because I literally gave up on my critique at that point, for fear of terminal stupid poisoning. 

    Incidentally, I love it when people try to imitate their critics without really grasping the concepts in question. I like to call it “cargo cult logic”. If you want to see some real Appeals to Ridicule, just check out Rationalwiki or Manboobz.

    But I’m sure someone who can’t even get my acronym right clearly has an excellent grasp on my statement.***.

    * I’m not even going to bother asking you to prove I made Appeals to Ridicule. You’ve already lost, by tacitly defending someone who calls racebending fanart an “act of violence”.

    **And no, calling them a moron isn’t necessarily an “Ad Hominem” fallacy. I just think they’re a moron, is all. It’s just an insult.

    *** That, however, was an ad hominem.

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