was thinking about infighting and like. they all see us the same. from the wildest queerest fagdyke to a cis gay guy. we are the same to them. the weird queers are not like. ruining your precious community. we're a part of it
@ exclusionists:
The problem is that secondhand embarrassment is A Thing That Exists, and that some LGBT people who have been raised by conservatives pride themselves on being "more normal" than the rest of the community because of having internalized certain toxic things from said upbringing.
And honestly, it takes a long time to jettison this way of thinking. Scolding people isn't going to help them let go.
OP thinks furries are LGBT? K.
Never mind, OP's pinned post is a great demonstration of the old adage ‘don’t be so open-minded your brain falls out’. Headmate LARPing, whatever the hell an ‘alterhuman’ is, and five sets of neopronouns are part of the ‘brain falling out’ part.
this is so funny to me. "let me reblog this post about inclusion being exactly the person the post is criticizing". sorry you're not as cool as me lmao
yes furries are queer. yall should know by now that a huge portion of the furry community is also queer, it's a venn diagram with a huge overlap. also, to conservatives, they fill the same "degenerate" space. drawing the line gives conservatives the ability to push it even farther.
for the record i'm not LARPing, i am plural. my neos are sexy af. if you want to know more about alterhumanity (i'm firehearted specifically) i'd be happy to share but i'm sure it'll come up when you google it.
That’s OK, it looks pretty much the same as therians, otherkin, systems, tulpas, fickin, and other assorted kinds of Tumblr LARPing/identity crises/barely veiled fetishes/mental illnesses. I don’t think it’ll be the next hot thing among the usual audience of attention-starved teens and young adults, though. Their favorite hobby right is pretending that their favorite clothing style and haircut is a new gender.
You correctly spot that conservatives like to lump rapists, fetishists, and mentally ill people in with people who happen to be attracted to their own sex or who have sex dysphoria. You’re incorrect in that you explicitly agree with that and support it. Clear?
i do not at all support rapists, not sure where you're getting that. but what i do when i see an identity/label i don't understand is i ask myself "is it hurting anyone?" if the answer is "no", then i get on with my day because it's none of my business what someone else IDs as. "ohh but x identity is harmful because it makes the lgbt+ community look weird/bad" ...read the original post again please.
but yes to answer your question i do support therians, otherkin, systems (i'm part of one!), tulpas, fickin, fetishes (that are not harmful! a foot fetish isn't hurting anyone, grow up), kink (if you think kink = rape you have a fundamental misunderstanding of either one or both), identity crises (who doesn't have those lmao), mentally ill people (i cannot believe you're trying to exclude mentally ill people on tumblr. mentally ill dot com), people who present their gender with new outfits and clothing styles, and literally anyone else you try to throw at me for being "too weird". (before you start "well pedophiles-" i said Not Harmful. jesus christ)
It’s the LGBT community, not the LGBT and therians and bipolar and foot fetish community. If someone’s bipolar and gay, great, they’re LGBT. If someone’s a foot fetishist who’s straight and cis, they’re not LGBT. That is because being LGBT means being lesbian, gay, bisexual, and/or transgender. This is exclusive of whatever else is going on in their life. I don’t know how I can spell this out more clearly.
Also, I didn’t say “people who present their gender with new outfits”, I said “people who make up new genders based on aesthetics”. For more info, see how much BS the MOGAI nuts come up with.
Did you really just wake up and decide today I’m going to intentionally be a cunt to people who are different than me or what? Cause a cursory glance at your blog and your reblogs on this post specifically sure does pin you as one.
Like bruh people who are different than you but are fundamentally not hurting anyone do not deserve the disrespect and disdain your hurling towards them.
Try logging off, drinking some tea, watching some relaxing YouTube videos of thunderstorms or whatever tickles your fancy, and stop being demonstrably rude about shit that at the end of the day 1) doesn’t hurt you whatsoever and 2) is frankly none of your goddamn business.
Because real talk? The human experience is a vast sea, folks are going to be different than you and your lived experiences don’t invalidate theirs. Stop being an ablest cunt.
You get very mad when someone says that the LGBT community is for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people only. How come?
I have almost a decade of life experience on you home dog, you just choose to ignore the bulk of what I said, and you’ve spent a lot of time hurling the words “mentally ill” like an insult or lumping it in with demonstrably awful people.
LGBT is a shortening of LGBTQIA+ the queer community is fucking huge, and conservatives don’t give a fuck what flavor of queer we are they want all of us dead.
And for the record I’m not mad at the shit you’re saying I’m mad at in obviously bad faith, I’m mad at
YOU
specifically for being an perfect example of what op is talking about and exclusionary to folks who would just as well be allies to the LGBT+ folks in their fight against those who would wish us all harm.
Sit down, shut the fuck up, and log off little boy because your early 20-something ass has a lot of growing still to do.
LGBT is definitely separate from the QIA+. I'll paraphrase what I've said in other posts - the LGBT is concerned with things like legal rights and the ability to live their own lives without the government bothering them. The QIA+ is interested in being as loud and obnoxious and subversive as possible. When part of a community is worried about things like their marriages and physical well-being and the rest of the community is worried about pronoun declensions and furry RPs (like the alter human OP), the two halves don't share the same goals.
I think it's good to draw a line between people with hobbies and jobs and friends and family who also happen to be lesbian/gay/bi/trans versus people who have decided to go by fireself pronouns or think that their dog fursona is their true self.
So I'll ask you again - how come you don't like it when someone says that the LGBT community is by and for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people - and no one else?
Have these people heard of a Venn diagram before? Lmao.
But also I’d like to add that intersex people have repeatedly come out against including the I in the LGBT acronym because they don’t consider their sex differences to be the same as being trans or gay/bi and have different goals for their activism. And it’s super ironic how self professed pro LGBT leftists will call LGBT people and anyone marginally outside of strict 1950s gender presentation or has sexual preferences beyond fucking missionary style for procreation “queers” without a second thought so y’all aren’t really as different as you try to pretend to be. Same clown different shoes.
Inclusionists are kinda dumb lol.
I for one think arguing about any of this is fucking useless because bigots will kill all of us and they will not care if your boyfriend is gay or if he just happened to be wearing a pink button-down.
Great job everyone! I'm sure when they will be making laws and enforcing them, they will bow down to you, the "normal" ones and "good apples", and say "You are the only sane people here." I'm kidding btw. All of you will die with the "freaks."
The distinction doesn’t matter to bigots sure.
But it should matter to LGBT people, TBH.
why? genuine question: why should it matter? why do you care? and do you really think, if you yourself went to a pride parade, you could tell the difference? would you be able to tell if the guy in the pink button down was "actually" gay? would you be able to tell if the man to your left was trans or not? would you be able to tell if the person in a dress is trans or gender nonconforming or in drag or some combination? would you be able to tell if the couple to your right was allocishet? would you be able to tell if the person wearing a she/her pronoun pin was a trans woman or a cis ally?
the answer is no. you do not know any of these people, you do not know their stories, you do not know their identities, you know nothing about them.
if you judge queer people to be acceptable only if they have their stories and labels presented to you for judgement, that, to me, is STRIKINGLY similar to the terfs asking people to pull down their pants to prove they have the right genitals to piss in the bathroom.
what gives you the right to think it should matter?
Girl (gender neutral because I don’t feel like checking for pronouns) what.
First off I don’t go to pride parades. Second off, I don’t believe pride parades are an LGBT only event, so I don’t care about cishet kinksters and drag queens attending.
Also, it’s not about me deeming them acceptable or not, it’s about the fact that LGBT rights is an LGBT thing.
The difference matters when it comes to legal shit.
I don’t appreciate you thinking that I need people to explain who they are their identity and then comparing your headcanon about me to the nasty shit TERFs do.
Trans people fighting for their right to transition without it being considered controversial and gay people fighting for their right to adopt children without it being considered controversial is extremely different from kinksters wanting to do BDSM or furries being furries or punk people listening to the music they like.
Sure, a trans woman and a drag queen could look, at a glance, to be the same, but they are entirely different. A trans woman is a woman trying to live as a woman and become comfortable in her body, a drag queen is a man doing a performance of femininity. Conservatives just see two men in dresses. Smart people will get to know two people with entirely different experiences and goals in life.
That’s what I’m talking about here, labeling LGBT people and cishets who are not the societal norm as both being just the same group of queers is not helpful because everyone is ffucking different and has different experiences.
But conservatives seeing LGBT folks and lumping them under the same socially unacceptable umbrella as kinky folks and furries is their problem. It is not progressive. What you did in your original post and reblog is say that cunts who label entirely separate but often times overlapping groups of people together is a good thing. That LGBT folks and furries being put under the same umbrella is good because “well we’re all freaks anyway” ignoring that LGBT folks and furries are are their core fundementally different.
So no, this is not me demanding everyone be up front about everything about themselves at all times, this is me saying that lumping together different groups of people under one umbrella is ffucking bad whether conservatives do it or progressives do it. Conservatives and TERFs look at drag queens and trans women and label them all just weird men in dresses, and the original reblog is implying that the distinction doesn’t matter because they see us all as freaks anyway. That’s not a good thing, sorry.
I really like my response here. Is it cringe and “narcissistic” to pat myself on the back for words? Absolutely. But I really do think I said some good words TBH.
probably the biggest mistake the LGBT crowd has ever made is allowing in radical inclusivity.
when you’re trying to achieve something, being specific is very important. to be perfectly honest, the LGB crowd is right, trans people shouldn’t be part of the movement. not because they’re not worthy or some dumb shit, but because they have different goals and the LGB and T parts will each do better specialising in their own thing than infighting over who is more important like they do now.
following that same concept, every letter that gets added to the acronym makes the whole group more pointless. most of them are in there just for the sake of being there and are never given another thought beyond that, but overall it just waters down the whole thing at best and makes the whole look like a ridiculous amalgamation of nonsense that no one can take seriously.
